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I have a slightly different problem. I actually want the PB version as I wanted to use one extra 16bit timer. To my surprise the board is recognized as ordinary Nano and programs without issues. However when I switch to MiniCore and PB version it looks like the bootloader is unable to connect to the board. Seems like this time the chinese manufacturer actually did put an effort to make it Nano compatible but made my life harder in the process. The problem is I cannot simply switch to Nano in Arduino IDE and upload hex compiled for PB as IDE is trying to compile it again and of course doesn't find some registers from PB. Edit: OK, I have verified that it has a botloader that with "Old bootlader" setting in IDE allows to program it as a normal Nano. And in AVRDude it indeed gives a signature of ATMega328P not ATMega328PB. I've used the "Export Compiled Binary" option in Arduino IDE to get the hex file and used AVRDude manually. It worked as a charm - I can run program written for PB variant and loaded with the old Nano bootloader. Since the last time I've used AVRDude was probably 15 years ago if not more I've took the execution command with all the parameters from Arduino IDE console when it was set as normal Nano and used it as a hint.
Ah... ok well thanks for the info.... thats very interesting to know! And well done on getting what you needed working !
Yeah, I tried this the other day with a new flash on my Pi400 and I wasn't impressed. Wifi connected and I got an IP address, but that was about it. The black border (overscan) was present and I don't see why it should be given that 5.28 didn't have this issue. I had the same issue on my PI 4. Sad really as I was hoping for a beautiful experience out of the box. New users won't go passed their first boot, call it a day and repurpose their SD card.
Indeed.... I've been saying this regarding new users for years... And as i quoted in the last video far too little for too late ... 2012 - 2014 there as a real opportunity under the Pi1 for RISC OS as at that time it ran rings around the much slower Raspbian Debian Linux .... however as we all know the PI hardware and Linux builds get faster and better (With a few exceptions) whist RISC OS stood almost totally still. Leaving aside the fact you cant actually compile this supposed 'open source' OS without an outdated paywalled complier ... and it leaves any new entrant less then underwhelmed.....
I think RISC OS has always had a reputation for being paywalled, even back in the day. Last year I dropped a bucket of cash upgrading software I already had on my original RiscStation 7500+ clone for the RPi. To my surprise one package requires online authentication, which means it will eventually undergo digital rot and will stop installing when the servers go offline. In a world of FOSS I didn't have to buy these things, I wanted to give back to the community, but I think that the time has come to accept that it is what it is and, sadly, move on.
The problem with the 'giving back to the community' thing - which i get you did with good intentions is it give a false economy and just drives others to attempt to extort more money.. there have been a few examples of this in recent times. I guess you are probably aware of my work in the scene in recent years, which sadly has come to nothing, more as I was promised things that never happened or got withdrawn, and have seen my own free work 'paywalled' by others, so it just got to the point that I couldn't in all good faith support it anymore.... As a retro historic, plaything...... its great ... it works well on the early Pis, the back catalog of software mainly games is interesting, and the native 32-bit BBC BASIC V is the real highlight for me.... but daily driver..... no ..... But it could have been a strong hobby board / micro controller OS and it had a chance, like I said back in 2012 - And the owners / community blow it big time! We'll revisit occasionally, but i'm not pushing it the way I was a few years back!
My friend, your work and your excellent videos are the reason I got back into RISCOS as much as I did. So, you have a very big thank you from me.
Interested that there will be a 2354 version of the chip with 2MB non volatile internal flash according to the data sheet. That chip with onboard WiFi is going to be pretty cool.
Yes I did see that in the technical notes ... so we'll wait and see I guess?
@@WiFiSheep yes, but feels encouraging that they have designed the soc with onboard flash in mind. A tiny basic interpreter on the hazard cores maybe ?
We'll have to see... As a mentioned again in the video the big problem with my TinyBASIC / RIO kernels is although they compiled and executed on ARM, the BASIC interpreter would then crash, this was due to 16-bit integers being used in the core TinyBASIC C source, So if you Run or Listed a program it would just hang the system! ESP-32 didn't have this issue and ran the AVR code quite well in a 32-bit space... So again we'll see what this new ARM Cortex 33 architecture is like.... not holding my breath and also not saying BASIC cant run on it.... maybe just not my BASIC or I need a Core Emulator layer between the Hardware and the Interpreter? Edit: forgot about the RISC V cores ...... yeah it might run on those.....
Didn’t have to reboot to get the mouse to work!
Did it play nice for you? I found if the mouse was not plugged in on boot the VIce emulator side would fail to see it, hence the reboot
@@WiFiSheep I meant you didn’t seem to have to reboot it when you changed the mouse over! I have a TheC64 still in the box from new! Bought it a while back on a whim but never got around to using it! Firmware will be a tad out of date I expect!
Oh I see... So in the video I had the cheap mouse in first, this activated the mouse on serial under the emulator so then I could 'hot swap' and its fine
@@WiFiSheep got it🤣
Also apologies for miss understanding your first comment, I read it a bit quite whist at work .... So my bad!
Great video! Hint: you don't have to keep saying both: It's officially "RISC-five. not "V".
Thanks, but on your hint …. If I don’t then I get complaints from the other side of your argument or those that confuse what I’m talking about with RISC OS 5 so I have to cover all bases being damed if I do or don’t
@@WiFiSheep oh you’re kidding! I thought since you dropped the “pie-co” pronunciation, since there’s just the one official way…. But you’d know better, since you have to deal with the weirdos. ;). Thanks for your videos.
The Pie-co issue was due to 'social conditioning' on my side originally... mainly due to working with products from the British model railway brand 'PECO' and then seeing PiCO from Raspberry Pi and thinking it must be pronounced 'PIE - CO' but no.... its the same as 'PECO' ... so thats way I struggled with that one LOL ..... Its a game of trying to cover every base so everyone is happy etc ... So I never really win :-) - But thanks again for your comments
So... Who is this kind of operating system for in 2024? What is the actual usecase for it other than just being another niche OS?
Mainly retro computing enthusiasts from the UK, or those that want to run BBC BASIC in native 32-bit mode without emulator.... Other then that very very little indeed... Its fun to play with if you dont expect it to do much of anything useful
Cool gadget from M5Stack! Can you take a look at MSX0 too?
I'm dithering on getting one of these. I've a couple of Pico (1) projects I never quite finished. I'm interested in the RISC V, but I think I might hold out until they release the 'W' version of the 2 later in the year.
Stop dithering and buy one!!!! There you go... Ive said it!!!! :-P .... Then after you figure out what to do with one..... do let me know!!! :-) On a serious note ... if you need the Wi-FI then totally agree, best wait it out for the W version.
Probably the next announcement will be a new Zero board, with more memory or an updated CPU, or both...
Maybe... but very hard to predict these days ... I think an update to the 'all in ones' 400 and or a laptop or mini Mac style ready to go machine based on Pi5 has been muted...
I remember when I got GEOS with my C128 and it was amazing, but then ultimately I went back to playing Uridium in C64 mode after a few minutes and didn't load it again.
The 26 pin connector is compatible with the Raspberry 1.
Nice video. Thanks man. Will you be covering SymbOS for Amstrad and MSX computers in this series?
Many thanks.... I would like to, If I did It would have to be via an emulated platform..
Interesting ! Do you have a version on the Arc software that used a SHAKUHACHI flute as a bong? I only want the bong :-) It was the start up of my first Arc, the first HiFi sound that I ever heard from a computer. Magic. I looked on in wonder at it ..
It is really weird that the Arduino console calls it "Both NL & CR" instead of "CRLF". Idk why they would diverge from the standard ASCII notation for the characters.
WARNING! The ATmega328PB is NOT a drop in replacement for the ATmega328P. TLDNR See Atmel Technical Note AT15007 "Differences between ATmega328P and ATmega328PB" for more information. Of particular concern is that two of the pins that are used for VCC and GND on the ATmega328P are now I/O pins on the ATmega328PB. Pin 3 is GND on the ATmega328P but is PE0/SDA1/ICP4/ACO/PTCXY on the ATmega328PB. While pin 6 is VCC on the ATmega328P but is PE1/SCL1/T4/PTCXY on the ATmega328PB. If the PCB is made as per the original Nano spec for an ATmega328P then pins 3 and 6 will be connected to the GND and VCC rails respectively. If you use an ATmega328PB firmware and enable either of these pins as output things are not going to end well. Pins 19 and 22 have additional functionality on the ATmega328PB but at least these pins are taken out to the ADC6 and ADC7 pins on the Nano. Pin 19 on the ATmega328PB is PE2/ADC6/PTCY/ICP3/SS1 while pin 22 is PE3/ADC7/PTCY/T3/MOSI1. The technical note does, however, state that the ATmega328PB is fully software compatible with the ATmega328P so it "should" be possible to upload a Nano firmware to this device and use it as an ATmega328P without the additional features of the ATmega328PB. This assumes that there are no bugs in the firmware which alter any unused/reserved bits in the ATmega328P registers that are used by the ATmega328PB. Such bugs would go unnoticed on an ATmega328P but may cause issues when executed on an ATmega328PB. This caveat also applies to any libraries used. As others have commented the old Nano bootloader appears to work but the new one does not, this may be the reason why. The Arduino IDE will not program the Nano bootloader into the ATmega328PB because it has a different signature to the ATmega328P and AVRDude checks this signature before uploading anything. It is, however, possible to upload the firmware from the command line using AVRDude with the -F switch. The -F switch (note upper case) forces AVRDude to ignore the signature bytes and upload the firmware. The ATmega328PB also has additional fuse bits and uses a low power oscillator, the rail to rail oscillator option is no longer present. This low power oscillator has a clock failure detection (CFD) circuit and fuse which force the ATmega328PB to revert to an internal 1MHz Calibrated RC Oscillator when it detects missing pulses. This clock failure detection can occur due to poorly routed boards that would not be a problem with a rail to rail oscillator. CFD can only be recovered by power cycling or a hard reset. This can result communication issues and other errant behaviour. caveat emptor
The good thing is that the 328PB has much more peripherals compared to the 328P, you've got 5 timers, 2 UARTs... So we can say that we were not scammed, quite the opposite :'D And the other thing is that with my nano board I noticed the TX pin always on when I first plug the board, but I was able to reprogram it by selecting the ATMEGA328P old bootloader... Cheers
Definitely a piece of tech that's on my wishlist.
Cool little system. But I don’t see any use case for myself. Could be mounted on a little robot or so. To drive with? 🤔
I did wonder about that but very limited I/O so not sure how useful it would be at that. Software platform development or like myself you’ve got something to port over, then as a play thing it has some value
Had to buy one on the m5 website as pi hut don’t ship anything with lipo batteries to Scotland! So I’ll be a couple of weeks before I get mine! I’ve had this before with pi hut and it’s really annoying!
They are nice , I have a couple, the keys hurt my fingers though ...
cool device. and i love the excellent flag behind you.
Thanks!
I got some of these a couple of days ago and finally got them working fully. Initially using "old bootloader" worked. Various reports said the old bootloader has bugs so I wanted to update it. I tried usbasp but that failed because it said it was the wrong chip signature. I tried adding a 328pb board but the implementation I tried failed with a strange avrdude error message when I tried to write the bootloader. After readiing a few forums I found out you *can* burn the 328p bootloader by changing the chip spec for the 328pb. That can be done by manually entering the bootloader upload commands it uses with avrdude. When you do that the bootloader will lie to the IDE and it will behave pretty much like a normal 328p thereafter. The two chips are apparenly so similar that will work: but you can't use any new features in the 328pb. After finding that solution I found the bug in the other board implementation and now everything works fine.
Interesting! First off well done and Second, thanks for sharing your findings! Really useful to feed back into the community :-) - Tom
I made it work with the Vonets router, but it was tricky. I think I had to edit some DHCP script. TLDR: it needs the wifi driver ported properly
I wonder how DietPi would do in comparison.
Hey, as a newly to the retro World, I fully understand. Work comes first. I do enjoy the discussion. In my own interests, I am an advocate of projects, over long-term schedules. Can be easier to manage. Hence like another commenter, I'd love to see more on the BBC Micro, or BASIC - or something I could follow and try!
@@jamesdecross1035 the project content also lasts a long time. I’m doing my own project for the micro based on what you did some time ago!
Can you do more shows about the BBC Micro? I love your content and I just bought a BBC micro!
The book is $400 on eBay!
You deserve a lot of subscribers
Well thank you for your kind words, Your not the first to say this.....
It's been a while since I used Atari Basic, but I think Control-C will break the program from running.
First comment!
Second!
I am using rpi zero w itworks beyond wonderfull. everything works.
Excellent prototype! How has the paint lasted on those controllers ? I noticed that you did not spray any clear laquer on them.
Many thanks, Indeed I did not.. at the time this was a slightly rushed project as the machine needed to be ready for exhibit at the Cambridge UK retro fest event, so allowing time for the paint to cure and the little use this was actually going to have in real terms I didn't add any further varnish or coatings. 5 years on and the controller has deteriorated, not though use but in store, as it had its own cable wrapped around it and that plastic rubber reacted with the paint / plastic, which has eaten at the buttons and case ... oops!
Risc os direct 5.30 when?
No idea, im not involved in the project anymore, so best contact them directly
I wish riscos had SMP support ...
The problem you've got is even if the OS did this and lets say also supported 64bit running. You've got no software, no one wants to develop without charging £££s for there creations and the top of the 'community' is actively hostile to seeing ports of useful software such as Libra Office, VCL or Arduino IDE, hence its stuck in this vacuum.... fine if you view it as a'retro play thing' of the past, but really useless as a daily driver even on a hobby system like the Raspberry Pi.
@@WiFiSheep Even if the applications aren't multi threaded, if they have an smp enabled kernel and scheduler, it will still massively benefit the OS, as different applications could run on different cores. As to the community being against porting, well, that's just sad. It would be a massive boon to the project if it had some form of posix compliance where things could get ported.
@@detaart There is an SMP module being developed that provides scheduling across all available cores. Tasks must register with the SMP module to declare that it is multi-core aware and is written with threads and atomic variables where necessary as you would expect. The early version is already in the RISC OS Open Git repo, but I believe the developer was waiting for 5.30 to be launched before uploading his newer code from his own local branch (I think). Regardless, I think it will allow newer applications to be written and for existing apps to be modified to make use of the extra cores. Recently, it was mentioned that the zip compressor/decompressor app 'SparkFS' could be enhanced to speed it up significantly using the extra cores. RISC OS does have plenty of problems, but progress is made from time-to-time. I still enjoy using it, and in the end, I think that's all that really matters. I don't care that it won't ever replace Linux or Windows. It's fun to use.
@@WiFiSheep The operating concepts of RiscOS are completely different from pretty much any current OS. The fact that it does not provide memory protection from the different processes plus the lack of Unix-like API and libraries mean that porting anything but the most simple modern software to RiscOS is a non-trivial task (even early versions of the Windows network API provided a very Unix-like environment to developers). The memory protection in particular makes it very difficult to write thread-safe multiprocessor software. You are more likely to see a RiscOS compatibility layer on another OS like Haiku or even Linux before you're likely to see an SMP friendly version of RiscOS. RiscOS is a throw-back to a more simple time. It was very impressive when it was current, but it was very much in the era of Windows 3.1 and other 8/16 bit OS's. The fact that it runs at all on true 32 bit ARM systems (the original ARM was a 24 bit address space, with the other 8 bits of the Program Counter effectively providing the PSW) was a major hurdle, and we can be grateful that the work was done so that we can keep RiscOS alive.
@@detaart it does have some level of posix compliance. Many Unix tools have been ported. Someone is even porting WebKit!!!
Q: what is the difference between an early and a late Pi400? Thanks.
A number of hardware revisions, the main one being the Network Chip for Ethernet and Wireless changed - hence the issue your seeing in my videos. Off the top of my head cant think what the others are, but my 400 has been known to run code slower then other 2nd gen 400s
You were probably trying to connect to the 5g network rather than 2.4 network (the slow connection) which you did on the pi 4, try connecting again on the pi400 using the slow connection.
That's exactly what happened - unclear if that is the reason it worked, but they were connecting the pi400 to channel 36 (5GHz) while they connected the pi4 to channel 11 (2.4GHz)
Can you get rid of the black border around screen?
Yeah it’s just the pis overscan video setting which can be disabled in the config.txt file on the SD card the same way you can on Debian Linux builds
You can expand a beyond 2gb... You need to look at a program called !systemdisc. Granted I know your pretty clued up Tom so maybe you meant out the box it can't be expanded. It's a pain to buy third party software for something so basic. But I brought a copy years ago. So even Rpi model 1b has 32gb cards all working. Anyways hope that helps. Cheers for the vid👍🏻
You've got exactly the same issue i had with my Pi 400, it seems theres an issue with the RISC OS WiFi drivers and certain revisions of the Pi 400. If you turn off WiFi security on your router (Open WiFi), it will work! Though thats not really a long term option as folk wont want to leave their WiFi unsecured! Hopefully will be fixed in a later release. Apparently there's another WiFi stack for RISC OS that works OK, but i havent tried that. Like you said, this should just work out of the box and is not a great advert for RISC OS.
As others have said below; there is a newer release of RISC OS 5.30 (updated mid May 2024), and also a new version of the wi-fi driver too (also mid May). Both of these things should make a big difference to you.
Spoiler Alert... progress has been made, but its not what you think it is.... new update video on its way shortly!
You are not getting a ip address from your dhcp, as am i. You have a 169 address but should be getting a 192. I tried it manually but not workning. I sent an email to them hoping for a solution.
I have been reading up on the forums today, apparently another build of 5.30 is now live which might address this issue, im yet to investigate
Also might see what this dose on a Pi3B & 4B... what hardware are you using?
@@WiFiSheep I have a pi 400, received it yesterday. Been having fun programming Basic, not done that since 1985
@@WiFiSheep Probably some kind of a handshake problem between hardware.
Yes I think that looks to be the consensus
Thankyou for the video...... It helped me a lot
Glad to hear that... I knew when i went though this issue I had to make this video as it would be helpful to so many people!
Hi Tom. So if you have to exclude the networking issues, how do you feel about the update overall? I generally leave my vintage platforms as silos and enjoy the peace and quiet of no internet.
Very good question.... not sure really - networking aside a few issues such as things like Jpeg and FAT format filing support where fixed some time ago, but its other issues like the lack of click and drag text highlighting and universal copy and paste clipboard that stump alot of new or Raspbain users - That a really poor video / media support... That said in other areas it is quite strong the onboard BBC BASIC is also for me been its star quality, that, its speed on slower older ARM chips / Pi boards ... As for the rest of the update for 5.30 ... its not really enough to make me think this is worth talking about at the moment being totally honest. Which I accept is a real shame .
Hi Tom, It may seem frustrating, but as a user of FreeBSD, I am blown away by the progress made by Risc OS... wifi on FreeBSD isn't good, and it isn't good despite a much higher budget - which makes you wonder. The browser issue could be better, that's agreed.... I think the progress so far is pretty good for Risc OS, and isn't this still in Beta?
looks like its missing the gateway address (probably not handling the DHCP protocol correctly). Try a manual entry for the IP config & reboot
Yep thats been bought to my attention. Others seem to be having the issue, strange how all quite it is until I make a much delayed video about it???
Unfortunately I won't be trying on my raspberry pi400, (somehow I feel cheated by the pi foundation because of the chip change and performance boost that gives in some circumstances) I wonder if pi4 would have worked better. I understand your comments ref the beta nightly, but I hope that early issues would be picked up and fixed in there.
Seems rather cumbersome overall
I quite agree, disappointing over all, with a rather limited used case, due to the situation with the sub par web browsers and media handling.
This is super cool, I am not sure if I missed this but if you were to run cubase, can this emulate the dongle?
Im going to guess here as i dont actually know but I would say the software side would run, how well might depend on the Pi board and version your using.... Hardware such as a dongle.... im going to say very unlikely, so i'll at a guess say no to that.
Hi. Is it possible upgrade to 4 gb ram?
I would say unofficially, technically yes, but it would involve the removal of the surface mount RAM IC and replacement with a compatible, which is not for the light hearted and will void any kind of product support to warranty. Hopefully an upgraded version might appear with more RAM at a later date but you'd have to contact Banana Pi directly to ask.